Comments on: The business model (or lack thereof) of selling unit testing http://thediscoblog.com/2008/05/29/the-business-model-or-lack-thereof-of-selling-unit-testing/ Can you dig it man? Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:20:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: The Disco Blog » Blog Archive » Reality checking the tools market http://thediscoblog.com/2008/05/29/the-business-model-or-lack-thereof-of-selling-unit-testing/#comment-71066 The Disco Blog » Blog Archive » Reality checking the tools market Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:00:28 +0000 http://thediscoblog.com/2008/05/29/the-business-model-or-lack-thereof-of-selling-unit-testing/#comment-71066 [...] goes on to highlight three recent events such as Agitar’s demise, Enerjy’s freebee spree and lastly, CodeGear’s mercy acquisition (one can argue [...] [...] goes on to highlight three recent events such as Agitar’s demise, Enerjy’s freebee spree and lastly, CodeGear’s mercy acquisition (one can argue [...]

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]]> By: Mark http://thediscoblog.com/2008/05/29/the-business-model-or-lack-thereof-of-selling-unit-testing/#comment-65145 Mark Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:56:02 +0000 http://thediscoblog.com/2008/05/29/the-business-model-or-lack-thereof-of-selling-unit-testing/#comment-65145 Agitar is tool for a code base that does not have unit testing. But junit is superior to agitar when combined with Test Driven Development. Agitar does not support that. This is why agitar is not a better mouse trap in my opinion, the greatest value is TDD. Agitar is tool for a code base that does not have unit testing. But junit is superior to agitar when combined with Test Driven Development. Agitar does not support that. This is why agitar is not a better mouse trap in my opinion, the greatest value is TDD.

]]> By: Paul Keeble http://thediscoblog.com/2008/05/29/the-business-model-or-lack-thereof-of-selling-unit-testing/#comment-63318 Paul Keeble Sun, 01 Jun 2008 03:33:42 +0000 http://thediscoblog.com/2008/05/29/the-business-model-or-lack-thereof-of-selling-unit-testing/#comment-63318 The cost of unit testing can hardly be considered free. While the tools are free the effort expended can be drastic. Projects looking to achieve complete automated testing (unit, functional, performance) can look to spend up to half their work days on the effort of building and maintaining the tests. If a tool came out that could remove all that effort it would be an instant success. Agitar was more a sideways move to doing it differently with a moderate improvement in effort, but it didn't suit the working styles of a developer. It aimed itself (unfortunately) at purchasers (managers) with monitoring tools and other non core functionality in an effort to get sales. Truth be told a drop in price, a free community edition and some real push to get the core testing framework out there would have worked better. Good idea but bad business plan considering most tools were headed to being free. The cost of unit testing can hardly be considered free. While the tools are free the effort expended can be drastic. Projects looking to achieve complete automated testing (unit, functional, performance) can look to spend up to half their work days on the effort of building and maintaining the tests.

If a tool came out that could remove all that effort it would be an instant success. Agitar was more a sideways move to doing it differently with a moderate improvement in effort, but it didn’t suit the working styles of a developer. It aimed itself (unfortunately) at purchasers (managers) with monitoring tools and other non core functionality in an effort to get sales. Truth be told a drop in price, a free community edition and some real push to get the core testing framework out there would have worked better. Good idea but bad business plan considering most tools were headed to being free.

]]> By: Tutan's blog http://thediscoblog.com/2008/05/29/the-business-model-or-lack-thereof-of-selling-unit-testing/#comment-63312 Tutan's blog Sat, 31 May 2008 23:53:12 +0000 http://thediscoblog.com/2008/05/29/the-business-model-or-lack-thereof-of-selling-unit-testing/#comment-63312 <strong>On the eradication of software defects...</strong> I loved Andy Glover's hip comparison of mousetraps to testing tools and mice to defects. I live in a country that had no mammals, other than a few bats, and no software defects, until man arrived around 1000 years ago. The introduced mammals have .... On the eradication of software defects…

I loved Andy Glover’s hip comparison of mousetraps to testing tools and mice to defects.

I live in a country that had no mammals, other than a few bats, and no software defects, until man arrived around 1000 years ago. The introduced mammals have ….

]]> By: Kevin http://thediscoblog.com/2008/05/29/the-business-model-or-lack-thereof-of-selling-unit-testing/#comment-63029 Kevin Fri, 30 May 2008 03:33:09 +0000 http://thediscoblog.com/2008/05/29/the-business-model-or-lack-thereof-of-selling-unit-testing/#comment-63029 As someone who has both defects and mice and was formerly part of the outstanding team at Agitar I hear what you say man and mostly agree. A couple of quibbles: 1. It's inaccurate to say that Agitar made an expensive version of the free JUnit. That's like saying the Encyclopedia Britannica is an expensive version of pencils. Not saying the Encyclopedia Britannica is useful mind you...but you could write your own with pencils if you chose to. 2. There is a better mouse trap - http://www.raggedclown.com/tag/lolmouse/ But, companies die ( http://www.raggedclown.com/2008/05/14/lines-on-the-death-of-agitar/ ) and mice die ( http://www.raggedclown.com/2008/05/20/farewell-simon-thou-wert-a-valiant-foe/ ) and life moves on. As someone who has both defects and mice and was formerly part of the outstanding team at Agitar I hear what you say man and mostly agree.

A couple of quibbles:

1. It’s inaccurate to say that Agitar made an expensive version of the free JUnit. That’s like saying the Encyclopedia Britannica is an expensive version of pencils. Not saying the Encyclopedia Britannica is useful mind you…but you could write your own with pencils if you chose to.

2. There is a better mouse trap - http://www.raggedclown.com/tag/lolmouse/

But, companies die ( http://www.raggedclown.com/2008/05/14/lines-on-the-death-of-agitar/ ) and mice die ( http://www.raggedclown.com/2008/05/20/farewell-simon-thou-wert-a-valiant-foe/ ) and life moves on.

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